01 Mar 2023 · 33 min read

Thomas Kralow, Financial Markets Expert, on BTC Price, Trading Tips, and Crypto Market Overview | Ep. 208

In an exclusive interview with cryptonews.com, Thomas Kralow, a financial markets expert, talks about what is affecting the price of bitcoin, BTC price predictions, and the current market outlook.

About Thomas Kralow

Thomas Kralow is a financial markets expert, influencer, mentor and entrepreneur behind ‘University Grade Trading Education, an accredited trading learning program that offers the necessary tools to become a consistent trader or investor.

Thomas Kralow gave a wide-ranging exclusive interview which you can see below, and we are happy for you to use it for publication provided there is a credit to www.cryptonews.com. 

Highlights Of The Interview

  • What is currently affecting the price of Bitcoin, and what will happen long term?
  • Is the crypto bouncing back or has it yet to reach the bottom?
  • What are we experiencing right now: the bull run or Bitcoin bull trap?
  • What can we learn from the 2008 crisis amid the crippling recession?
  • Was the Chinese New Year a reason for the crypto rally?

 

 

 

Full Transcript Of The Interview

Matt Zahab 
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Cryptonews Podcast. We're buzzin as always, and today we have Thomas Kralow on the show. He is buzzing he's coming in nine hours ahead of us in the beautiful east coast of North America. He is in Dubai where everyone in Crypto seems to be. Thomas is a financial markets expert, influencer, mentor and entrepreneur behind University Grade Trading Education and accredited trading learning program that offers the necessary tools to become a consistent trader or investor. Thomas has been in the space for a hot minute and provides incredible analysis for anyone looking to just get in and learn a little or become a true expert. Thomas, super pumped to have you on, welcome to the show my friend. 

Thomas Kralow 
Excited to be here. Thank you, Matt. 

Matt Zahab 
Let's jump right into the bread and butter of Crypto and that is Bitcoin do provide tons of analysis on Bitcoin, which I absolutely love. We've been in the stagnant spot for quite some time. By the time this episode airs, it's going to be end of February 2023. Bitcoin has been hovering between what 20 and 25 for the last month or so, before that we got down to 16 at one point. Last year, we were in heaven at 69. What do we have to look forward to walk me through the whole nine yards? What's going on? What are some of the sort of technical indicators but about the macro events? Give me your whole sort of 360-degree spiel on current present day Bitcoin. 

Thomas Kralow 
I think that right now actually is an incredible moment in the history of Bitcoin in general, I think that a lot of people underestimate as to how important the current probably next few weeks or and few months as well, because, as do a lot of people were looking at the price right now they see that we're standing at $25,000, and they just don't give it that much importance. But quite frankly, there's so many interesting aspects. If we look at macro events, if we look at on-chain data, if we look at pure technicals, everything is kind of telling us the same thing that we've bottomed out, and we potentially are just starting just being this beginning of this bull market. The next one, except for the macro environment, this is a bit iffy. But every single on-chain indicator is just screaming bottom, by with all you've got, so to speak. If we take a look at technicals, then certainly the $25,000 mark, where we have the crossovers of 200 moving average and 50 moving average in the weekly chart where we have this death cross, which actually a lot of people think it's very bullish. But for me, just technically for us to actually confirm any kind of a, you know reversal technically, we really want to close above 25k. So I think, in this instance right now, the most important level for us, and the most important event is stabilizing above 25,000, because I think we're going to see a lot of liquidations if we're going to go past 25k, and certainly this is also going to confirm that very important narrative of us seeing a slight but decoupling from other risk on assets. If you're going to see S&P 500 Bitcoin is going up, and accordingly still as we speak retesting 25k and for me it's like so exciting because we're seeing huge squeezing to 25k, while S&P is going down right now. So the same, if we're going to take a look at Dixie, which just notoriously whenever Dixie is going up, Bitcoin is going down. So it's inverse correlation. But these past days, and I think a week or so we're actually seeing decoupling, it could be because of DBU is defund, it could be because of China in this quantitative easing in China and hopium scenarios and just in general market being too overdue for a relief rally. But I think that if this is sustained, and if we actually going to close above 25k, and we don't close this gap between all the high risk assets and Bitcoin, this could really be overriding everything that could potentially be down the road in terms of macro, which is the potential for a recession, because we're still not out of the woods with inflation, Fed cannot really be very happy with what we were seeing in CPI. Even though a lot of because I shorted Bitcoin at CPI reading the previous one. So though I mean the latest one and it came in, it was supposed to come in at 6.2 the expectation in the market, it was previously 6.5, it came in at 6.4. This is really bad. I mean, we had better readings from CPI, when Bitcoin actually crashed on those readings. So it was enough for high risk assets to actually tumble, but it was not the case we actually pumped so I actually got stopped out well, but in this instance it just shows me how much power there is and the desire in the asset to move. I just hope that is going to be sustained. That's all. 

Matt Zahab 
Well said there. A couple of points you kept referring to the key indicator at 25k USD. Is that more on the sort of that there's just a whole bunch of cell walls there. Is there some type of technical analysis there or is that strictly like a psychological barrier where If the general population believes, and obviously the pros and everyone, just everyone within the space believes that once you pass 25k, it's sort of clear skies ahead. 

Thomas Kralow 
Okay. So certainly it's not clear skies ahead, there is going to be a lot of other so called order blocks on the way it's even going to be the biggest psychological level, I think besides 25k is going to be even 30k because it was previously very important was a floor for us when we had these Chinese FUD. So it's all about the order blocks. But right now, the most important one in my opinion, is 25 cages just technically, because we had a confirmation that was actually created back in May of 2022, as I might looking at the chart right now, and then it was confirmed that we retested it, so we actually kind of made it into a resistance from support, and that was confirmed in August of last year, and right now we're testing it. So this would be this level that just technically by all these models and patterns would constitute a true change from a downtrend into an uptrend, and again it also coincides is just spot on with that cross of the weekly chart of 200 moving average and 50 moving average. So it's like standing is like Triple Trouble in terms of resistance right at 25k. Plus it also brings us the wrong number, which also is significant. 

Matt Zahab
For sure. That's wow, crazy. I really hope you get to that 25. Of course we all do. Another really interesting point you just brought up is the importance of the Chinese market now. Chinese New Year, I know you have a couple of hot takes on this, and I absolutely love these and I was doing research for the show. But does the Chinese New Year does that give us any hope for a bull run? In any in any regard because again, I've when I was going over all the show notes and doing my research, you had some really interesting hot takes on this, and I think a couple of them could really be true. 

Thomas Kralow 
You know, see the thing is that traders often times trying to draw a lot of very deep parallels with different events in the market, and as to what they're seeing in the price and especially the technical traders wonder strike starting to see some kind of a pattern or coincidence in the price action between certain events like Chinese New Year, certainly there are impacts like I mean, the New Year season and the holiday season in the United States or Fourth of July, or any day that the market is off for example, and the S&P doesn't move and has been correlated to S&P certainly is going to have an effect. So the same thing you know, the same kind of small values can be attributed also to the Chinese New Year. However, honestly even though maybe I used to be a huge believer of these kinds of coincidences, I stopped believing these only why I'll tell you why. Because I just referred and this is what I also teach my students and just in general friends and people that asked me these questions, that I focus on what is of utmost importance, and what utmost important, it's not Chinese New Year just as effective itself in my opinion. I think that it's more important in terms of the monetary policy of China of geopolitics of monetary policy of the United States, or Federal Reserve of VEF. What VEF wants to do, and so many other things that, you know, it's like, I think he's just attributing value to something that is not that relevant, in my opinion. 

Matt Zahab 
Very interesting Thomas. Another thing that I really want to discuss, and I know all of our listeners are incredibly curious about is the decoupling of the traditional equities and traditional securities narrative. You brought this up in the first few minutes of the pod. Personally, I think this is one of the biggest sort of humps that we have to get over. There's such a, we failed the narrative that risk that Bitcoin was an asset that allowed us to sort of get away from the traditional markets when the traditional markets went to shit, Bitcoin was the safe haven turned out that was not the thing at all. There was also supposedly a hedge for inflation, that also turned out to be not true. How important is it? And what will happen if we ever actually decouple from traditional equities and become that sort of safe haven risk on asset? 

Thomas Kralow 
See everything is a great question. Everything is very cyclical, and I think it's so like, if you believe in energy, and as Michael Saylor has many times pointed out that Bitcoin is the highest frequency energy in a sense, and that perception of people of this asset has profound effects on its correlations to other assets, because of a certain narratives and characteristics fall in line with certain belief systems. But just to answer your question, in a very simple way, I would say that Bitcoin in general, well as you know you actually said that, you know, Bitcoin was terrible hedge against inflation, it really depends on the time horizon that we should look at actually, Bitcoin is a better hedge against inflation than gold. If you look at the four year time horizon or eight year time horizon, if you're looking at two year time horizon, that actually is just same as gold pretty much so it really depends on how you look at it. So but in my opinion, what is the biggest answer here overall is the development of the industry which really even though a lot of people who have been into Crypto a lot of people are relatively, I'm young, you're young, and we kind of for us a five year time period is a lot of freaking time. You know, it seems like eternity. But if we look at other deployments, other assets in general in history, I mean, yeah, it's like, it's nothing, it's like 10 years, 14 years, whatever it means no, doesn't matter. What do we have to look at is at the performance of an asset within the next 50 to 100 years, and then it will be able to actually tell, and I think that by then, and I'm going back to this life's energy spiral, and just how it works in general, I think that in general, in the beginning, it wasn't correlated, but that then it became correlated simply because we had so many institutional sales coming in with the big money and smart money, and certainly they were treating it as just high risk asset, highly speculative, and something that you know, if they're going to be selling it off out of their portfolio, this is going to be the first thing to go. So that's why you know, it was oftentimes Bitcoin price could actually be forward looking, because this would be the first thing to dump out of a portfolio. But I think that with time as the world starts to realize, and all the big powers behind certain agencies and governments, etc., and especially all the big corporations, like you know, will receive with fidelity and BlackRock, etc., once we see their narrative to start shifting from just a fun, speculative thing that people kind of want. So it's kind of cool marketing for us to have if we're an asset manager, once it actually shifts to profound understanding of the deep value of the asset, which is true proprietary rights, which is the real scarcity, something that cannot be diluted. So once actually, Bitcoin is going to hit this cherry, you know like hit this spot of what it actually is, it is going to decouple. I mean it has to, because it cannot be it's not a stock, it's not a commodity, it's not a currency, it's actually all of these things in one, it's a brand new asset class, and the market hasn't realized it yet. That therefore we have this kind of a I mean, this kind of a correlation. I mean, if the market would finally start pricing in the reality, which for some legal reasons, maybe it's not possible for the time being, but once it starts pricing this in, I mean, then we will just decouple from everything because Bitcoin in my opinion, I don't want to sound like a Bitcoin Maxi, but it just is the most superior asset, in my opinion in the human history. So it has to perform better than anything else out there. So just my two cents on this. 

Matt Zahab 
Thomas, where do you think we are in regards to the market as a whole? Are we still in bear territory? Are we in sort of that leeway period? Do we, you know, we've gone up what 6k in the last six weeks, obviously, that's great to have, are we are we in bull market territory yet? There's still a lot of pain to go give me your sort of like six and 6, 12, maybe 18 month hypothesis. 

Thomas Kralow 
I think that the worst of it is behind us, meaning that if you just analyze as per what worse could happen, the worst thing really that could happen is the recession. So that's why I think that the wheel is in the hands of Jerome Powell, unless we just you know, give so much weight to the current mood, small decoupling that we're seeing. So in general, if we just be very responsible investors, then we can for sure, say that with the current inflation readings, and what Fed is actually projecting themselves, the chances of this being the end of it, or at best 50/50. So I would say that, you know once the when the whenever this podcast comes out, if it's after the February 24, then I think that people can actually check what was the PCE outcome, because right now, I think that the forecast for PCE, I think it was the drop off, let me just quickly find it was a drop off from 4.3, I think all the way down to now from 4.4, down to forecast coordinate 4.3. Because if it's gonna come in, and PCE is a primary gauge for inflation for Fed and Powell. So if it's gonna come in at 4.4, which is going to confirm the bad side of things that I actually discussed in the beginning about CPI inflation, and this is just going to mean that inflation is sticky, and we are very far away from 2% or get a FET and either they're going to have to accept 3% or something and sticky inflation, where they're going to just over tighten, and we're certainly going to have more rate hikes than anticipated by the market and that what the market has priced in, and then the worst part of this old, why I'm just going on the monologue here is that if we're going to see this kind of a uncontrollable inflation, which is called stagflation, then I'm pretty sure Bitcoin is gonna show us sub $10,000 mark. So it all really depends on the upcoming inflation readings in my opinion, this is what I mean. It all comes in fine and we just keep seeing this reduction and this is certainly the beginning of the next bull market. This is going to be this beginning of this small bear market rally, which leads us always into HODLing into 2024, and then this supply shock, where the HODLing and the reduction of the reward for the miners and booya, we have this explosion in the next bull market. So this could be the beginning. But again, every time when you're looking at indicators, you have to keep it in the back of your mind that what is the driver right now, because every time when the indicator was flashing the bottom, the macro environment was very different from what it is today, and today it's quite shitty. So that's my short take on this. 

Matt Zahab 
100%. Walk me through the day in the life of a trader, you've been doing this for a hot minute, you're clearly very switched on you know, all of the technical analysis, all of the key indicators that you need to look for. Every young it appears males more than females guys more than girls dream of being traders. But you know, when you're younger, and you get that first positive trade and you return a little bit of alpha, it's very addicting you get that crazy dopamine hit you get the adrenaline you think you can do it time after time, and then people always go down sort of the you know, the classic penny stocks and day trading and perhaps currency and then Crypto whatever the case may be. But having a routine is paramount to success in trading. Every good trader I know keeps a journal or log or an Excel Sheet of absolutely everything. Obviously they've done 1000s of hours of homework, but I'd love to be sort of walk through your daily routine you know, when you wake up when you check the markets, when you eat, do you workout, like walk me through everything just to sort of let people know what it takes to truly become a pretty darn successful trader. 

Thomas Kralow 
And also, fantastic question. I'm just going to try to summarize this somehow without a two hour rent on to how what I usually do. I mean, it all starts with number one, it's all about mindset, and it's not about you know, just believing in something, it's mindset in terms of having a clear mind, and it also has this metaphysical you know, like for example you're doing affirmations and just making yourself believe that you can actually make money and actually be systematic, that it's one side of things. So it's like affirmations, visualizations, meditations. I do meditations once a day minimum, sometimes three times a day just to calm my mind, then besides this, it's also substances. I used to be an alcohol abuser, I used to drink a lot. It was like I mean, I'm 28 now, but it was back in the day when I was like 20 21 22, and I was I mean this one, I was really getting into trading, making my first money, and you know quite frankly, doesn't help when you're hungover or whenever you're not 100%. So it just even small effects, even though people sometimes don't feel these effects can actually pile up one on top of the other, which leads to overtrading, revenge trading and just blowing up your account. So certainly it is no, I've haven't had a single beer for six years. So I don't smoke, I don't drink. I don't do drugs. I don't hang out with idiots. So it's like. 

Matt Zahab 
That's incredible. 

Thomas Kralow 
But this is like the very beginning, this is the foundation besides this workout. I mean, certainly, of course, I have to work out because I have to keep my body in shape just to feel good about myself, and just in general, good health equates, you know lower heart rate, lower blood pressure, and just overall, you know especially good food, it's just so this is all just basic stuff just to keep yourself fit, and that actually affects your brain capacity as well because you're just more sharp. But when it comes to my daily routine one, the biggest thing that helps me being you know, especially when I was doing a lot of active trading right now I moved on to asset management, I own two funds, I have a hedge fund, a venture fund where we invest in early stages of Crypto Projects. I also own a real estate company, I own three more other companies, educational company, I invest into other companies, so we do so many things, so and also do active trading. But when I was like super active trading, like when I was doing just day trading, which was one of the craziest times of my life, quite frankly, then the most important aspect was information, and my intel is still is the same, but it's just the intake of information on a daily basis is like crazy. I mean you know, people go to the university and they study for a couple of years, I probably take in more information per week than people taking per semester at the University, listening to podcasts, watching videos, reading reports, communicating with people gathering information, for what? To understand the market sentiment, to understand what the retailer's think I have friends in Goldman Sachs, I constantly communicate with them. I read reports from JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, I guess, is just to keep myself educated. What do these people think? What does the market think? What do people on Twitter tweet, you know like, what is the narrative? What is like you have to always be on your toes as a trader. I mean, unless you're like a technical trader, which is quite difficult in the bear market. So whenever it's a bull market, then you can just you know, take patterns, wedges, squeezing, maybe add the level to market data and the order flow, and you're going to be good to go because it's all one direction. But if it's a bear market, you know where you know, like consolidate, it can be quite tough. So here you have to incorporate also macro on chain, if it's Crypto fundamentals if it's stocks so and technicals. So there's so many things you have to pay attention to. So the biggest and the best tip is to stay sober, stay fit, and mega focused and take in as much information as because people are lazy man, they're so lazy, they don't do research, they just go out. They just placed a few lines on a chart, and they kind of want to, you know, trade day false break or some shit you know, at the end of the day, I mean, I also trade false breaks, true breaks, whatever, but my choosing of a trade can be the rest. There can be so much information behind it. It's unbelievable, and it's ongoing. You cannot lose track of it. 

Matt Zahab 
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Thomas Kralow 
Quite frankly, you know, a lot of people ask me this question as to which patterns the way I personally prefer to trade and like what's my most favorite one? And I always give the answer that people don't expect because they always expect you know something that as you're saying that cup and handle or something like a wedge. It certainly is wedges and squeezing formations and flags and just horizontal levels, diagonal lows, my personal favorites have always been horizontal and diagonal levels in general. But quite honestly, I will just hijack this a bit and just answer it in a bit of a different way. I think that it's not as important as to which pattern you select. It's more important as to how you treat it, and you actually touched upon this before and it's about the journal. A lot of people and I just wanted to use this opportunity to emphasize the importance of it, because if you just select any kind of a pattern from this general book, and you trade these patterns, and you don't record your statistics, and you don't keep the journal, trust me you're going to fail. I mean, it may be a bit sounds a bit weird whatever, and people are going to scream saying that all Thomas I've been trading for whole two weeks and I've made money. In reality there are so many rules, so many technicalities, when it comes to not just the patterns themselves, but also the stuff that surrounds trading, which is actually sometimes more important than trading itself. A pattern is not difficult to spot, what is difficult to spot is actually how to trade it meaning that with proper risk and money management, how do you evaluate ATR which is also very important, which is average true range. A lot of people they trade they do day trading, and for example, ATR on Bitcoin or any indices, let's say ATR is $500. So an instrument on average moves $500, they place a stop of 700 bucks, and they want to take another one to one also 700 bucks, which is just stupid. It's stupid number one, because of one to one is very difficult, because then if you you have to be right at least 50% of the time, which is very difficult to achieve. Like my personal average was like 45%, 40%, 47%, rarely above 50%. In a short term perspective, it can be 100%. But if you if you want to be a trader with a track record of 10 years, then you're going to see that your success rate is going to be very far from 50% on average especially on active trading. So that's why you have to be taking three to one, maybe two to one, four to one, some of my trades are 20 to one. So I can screwed up 20 times in a row to break even just one trade is going to pull me out. So this being said, when you're selecting a pattern, it's like I mean for me, it's like the last thing. The first thing for me is actually, how do I read the market? Because I cannot trade against the market. It's not just about the trends, trend is very basic stuff, it's trading against the market is trading against the market statistics. What's the current range? When is where is your next resistance, people sometimes just take a trade off a false break, or a breakout of the wedge, and they disregard everything else, then the price turns on them, they get stopped out, and they wonder. So that's number one. And number two is statistics. Biggest thing trust me, like I have 1000s of students globally, I've been a coach for like, three, four years now I have probably 10,000 More than 10,000 students these days. So for them, whenever I give them proper way of keeping their statistics, there's like 15 metrics that they have to record in their trading in their after every trade, like ATR range, timeframe, like I mean, this shit ton of stuff, and at the end of, for example 200 trades, they see precisely which pattern works, which doesn't work, which timeframe they're better at, which sometimes some people keep losing money on Fridays, because they're so eager to go drink beer with their friends, or why I don't know whatever it is, and you have to see these things, you remove Fridays, you don't trade after 2pm because you see you if you screw up after maybe you screw up around the news time, you have to see this, and in order to see this, you need to keep proper statistics, and oftentimes, it can swing you like it can improve your performance by 5 to 10%, which is not much but trust me, 5 to 10% is frickin life changing and can make a losing trader into an actually winning trader. So this is more important in my opinion than any pattern. 

Matt Zahab 
I love that advice about keeping track of absolutely everything. That's just seems such a no brainer. But I can tell no one does that. Thomas you gotta I know we're getting a little tight for time here you got to plug your course, before we go. There's just so much off in the course University Grade Trading Education, I'm sure you teach a lot about what you've dropped in this pod. But tell me a little bit about the course and what you and the team do and how you provide value for your students and your community.

Thomas Kralow 
Our main objective really at thomasroll.com is really to bring this universal education that is unique. Why is it called the university grade? Well number one, we're certified and accredited by CPD in UK. That's number one and number two, we actually issue a certified diploma, and we also have an average like grades, they say US grading system which is GPA, we have 85 practical assignments, which are graded. We also have a final exam, we have tests. So it's like serious, like almost like a semester at the University because it takes about five months to complete it, and the person learns everything, like from Forex, which I don't personally like but they learn Forex, Stocks, Crypto, Futures Indices, everything except for the Options strategies I never liked Option. So I'm not an expert on Options strategies. So besides this, they learn day trading, sculpt trading for like super active trading, if they want to. They learn long term investing in portfolio building, and so literally fundamental analysis on chain and everything you can possibly imagine, you're learning because in my opinion, even if you're wanting to be a day trader, it doesn't really you don't have to understand how Warren Buffett puts together his portfolio, but trust me it couldn't be can be quite useful, because you could understand which asset could potentially pump and why, and you can then you can actually evaluate the potential for a certain company which are for example, are trying to day trade. So it is still useful. Same thing if you're an investor, and you don't need to learn day trading, but not really, I mean when you are an investor and a day trader for your long term portfolio, you can pick a better technical entry for your long term position and control it understand where to put the stop or understand where somebody else might have a storyboard that could be a liquidity grab. So you control stuff that you do. So this is what we teach, we teach everything from A to Z, and there is also an option for VIP mentorship, which I take usually like 10 to 15 people a year where it's like super exclusive super VIP and so an option where I literally guide people through the whole process, but it's like it's a serious piece of education and in my I spent like a year developing it. It's not one of those get rich quick schemes where we just say oh, use this magic strategy and become a Forex millionaire. This is just not true. You know, we're as straightforward as it gets. So that's pretty much it. 

Matt Zahab 
Hey, thanks for the plug. Love that. Lastly, Thomas before we let you go, we got to jump in the hot take factory. You gotta give me a couple of hot takes before you leave us today. What are a couple things that only Thomas believes in whereas most other people do not doesn't have to be Crypto or financial, whatever related, it can be absolutely anything health, wealth, happiness, politics, sports, food, space, AR, AI, VR, you name it. Give me a couple of Thomas hot takes before we leave. 

Thomas Kralow 
There's probably two things really. I think that a lot of people think that money is the most important thing, and that money is going to make them happy, and that's why a lot of people go into trading just to make themselves happy thinking that money is going to make them happy. In some instances, maybe some people are lucky that something as simple as money makes them happy. But for me, I made many mistakes in my life, and I always suggest to people to focus on what makes them happy, and if trading isn't if trading really pisses you off, and makes you miserable, it's not for you, because the money you're going to get from it is not going to really make you happy either, this is number one. So always have to pursue I guess a lot of people say, like Jeff Bezos, and whoever you know, these billionaires always say, do what you love. It sounds so cliche, but man it's life changing. Because as soon as I started, like doing more what I love, and like I actually became my passion trading, and actually followed this vision as to do what you love, and that just by coincidence was trading. So it was an incredible because we have to roll we're not after money in life, we're after the life itself, and the pleasure and the joy. So every moment that you spend in happiness is more valuable than a billion dollars. This is my first belief that just first just came to my mind, and second one is that Bitcoin is gonna certainly reach a million dollars. Well, probably within 10 years or so. But it will certainly reach 10 million so I keep accumulating and collecting Bitcoin. 

Matt Zahab 
Love that. Thomas, thank you so much man. Before we let you go, can you please let our listeners know where they can find you and your course University Grade Trading Education online and on socials? 

Thomas Kralow 
Yeah, for sure. So, our main website for my university it's thomaskralow.com and certainly I'm very active on Instagram, but Instagram is more fun and showing off. So if that's what people want to see, then that's what I do a lot of fun reels, we get like millions of views with fun stuff. But if you guys if the guys are interested in something serious and educational, then that's YouTube, and also Twitter, but mostly YouTube and so since I'm on Instagram, also on TikTok, and LinkedIn, but mostly I would say, if people really want to get a taste for what I do and how I do it, then it's Instagram, Twitter and YouTube. 

Matt Zahab 
And it's just Thomas Kralow on everything right? 

Thomas Kralow 
Yeah, it's just Thomas Kralow it's all the same everywhere. 

Matt Zahab 
Amazing. Thomas, thank you so much man. You dropped a shit ton of alpha on this pod. Greatly appreciate it, and I'm sure our listeners will absolutely love this. Appreciate you coming on, and I can't wait for round two in the next couple months. 

Thomas Kralow 
Thanks, Matt. Happy to be here and thank you very much for the invitation. 

Matt Zahab 
Folks what an episode with Thomas Kralow he dropped a crazy amount of alpha for us. You want to become a trader and asset manager or just learn a little bit more about traditional markets and Crypto. This episode had it all for you as always, I will include everything in the show notes huge shout out to Thomas and the team for helping get this set up. To my team thank you so much guys for everything as always cannot do this without you. To Justas my amazing editor appreciate you man as always until listeners love you guys. Thank you so much for everything and keep on growing those bags and keep on staying healthy, wealthy and happy. Bye for now, and we'll talk soon.